Gaming in Vietnam

A cyber cafe in Ba Dinh district, Hanoi.

A cyber cafe in Ba Dinh district, Hanoi.

A cyber cafe on Kim Ma street in Hanoi.

A cyber cafe on Kim Ma street in Hanoi.

Vietnamese people love to play games—on the street they play co tuong, a traditional chess-like game. Groups of older men will crowd around the two opposing players to comment on strategy and prior moves. In older times, the best co tuong players would travel to different villages in Vietnam to challenge other players to prove they were truly the best.

In Asia, gambling is very popular and it ranges from betting on national sports teams (like football–soccer) to betting on the winner of cock fights at the local hangout. Currently, Vietnamese people are not even allowed to enter a casino in Vietnam, although the local policies may be changing in the future. Trips abroad to Macau (for those who can afford it), and closer in Cambodia across the Moc Bai border (where casinos specifically target Vietnamese consumers) will have to satisfy the demand for lucky money–at least for now.

So while the older generations are focused on traditional elements of gaming, the youth have turned to technology in the form of video, computer, and mobile games. And recently, the world has turned to Vietnam for a massive mobile gaming hit that seemed to rise on its own. If you know anything about gaming in Vietnam then chances are that you’ve heard of Flappy Bird. If you have never heard of Flappy Bird, the mobile game took the world by storm earlier this year and propelled its creator, Nguyen Dong, to fame and fortune.

Mr. Dong’s curious tweets about the massive public interest in his game only fueled additional press inquiries and an even greater amount of demand to download and play his game. Eventually, he pulled the game off the market only to exclusively re-release it on Amazon’s Fire TV platform.

However, Vietnam’s gaming scene is comprised of more than just Flappy Bird. Besides a robust coffee and cafe culture in Vietnam there are thousands of cyber cafes where young Vietnamese gamers play DOTA 2, League of Legends, and an assortment of games distributed or developed by local and international companies. Additionally, there are a number of independent game studios in Vietnam, as well as companies like Gameloft, and VNG, Vietnam’s premier internet company (and formerly known as VinaGame–revealing its origins).

A Match Made in Heaven

Gaming in Vietnam is a $200+ million industry with very high annual growth over the last three years. Even in an economic downturn gaming isn’t very negatively affected. If anything, less business activity allows workers to spend more time playing games to get through a dreary work day. It’s common to see security guards and desk-based customer service workers take some gaming breaks to help pass the time.

App distribution spans beyond just the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store in Vietnam. Third party marketplace like Appota offer an alternative to official marketplaces. Based on conversations with Appota and MWork representatives, there are estimated to be anywhere from 5,000-12,000 developers in Vietnam, which includes big companies and independent coders across the iOS, Android, and Windows Phone platforms.

iOS devices are seemingly everywhere in Saigon and Hanoi—and they will only increase in popularity as the middle class continues to rise in Vietnam. As smartphone sales continue to increase across Vietnam and Southeast Asia, the user base for games will automatically increase as well. And as new iterations of iPhone models come out, the rich and fashionable Vietnamese consumers acquire them and gift their old phones to family—perhaps to younger cousins who otherwise would not have an iPhone.

A Closer Look: League of Legends in Vietnam

League of Legends is the most popular MOBA (Massive Online Battle Arena) game in the world and is played by millions of people; in Vietnam, Vietnam Esports, distributes the game through its Garena+ client.

MOBA is typically a top-down five-player versus five-player (5v5 PvP) match where each player controls a different “Champion” class that has special abilities. The game has a few different game modes which become available to the player as s/he “levels-up” his/her champion.

The game modes can be divided into 3 distinctions: 5v5/3v3 PvP “Classic” style; Co-op versus the computer (AI) variant; and custom, which is used for tournaments and custom game modes. The objective of the classic 5v5 game is to destroy the opposing team’s Nexus, a strategic item. This goal is accomplished by first attacking the other team’s turrets; powerful defensive structures that guard each of the corridors between opposing bases.

Players are aided in their effort by “creeps” which can be compared to a pawn piece in a game of chess. These characters are only dangerous to a player in the early portion of the game, when the players are weaker.

After destroying all the turrets leading to the enemy’s base in a lane, players continue to push forward to destroy various defensive structures until reaching and destroying the Nexus. League of Legends also has an online store where players can purchase champions, character skins, and other in-game items (these micro-transactions are how Vietnam Esports primarily earns revenue).

There are two types of in-game currency: RP (Riot Points) and IP (Influence Points). Both types can be used to purchase champions but only RP are used for skins (a way to change a character’s appearance). For players who don’t want to spend money on virtual items, characters cost from 475 IP to 6,300 IP. A dedicated player can reach Level 7 to unlock most of the maps and game modes over the course of two days.

Vietnam Esports’ Game Operations division primarily localizes international content into Vietnamese. Riot Games, the developer of League of Legends, updates the game via patches that need to be translated into Vietnamese. The division also manages two websites: http://lienminh360.vn/ which is more community focused and the official league in Vietnam website: http://lienminh.garena.vn/. Besides patch notes, players can also find guides and other content that introduce new players to the game (they are very open-ended so that players may develop their own style when learning to play).

The website also has a section for tournament information; the top tournament tier is the Garena Premier League (GPL), which consists of the best teams in Southeast Asia (SEA) and Taiwan. Below that is the Dell Championship Series A, which is for the top eight teams in Vietnam, followed by Western Digital Championship Series B (WDCS B): the semi-pro tournament circuit. A mini tournament, called the GCafe Cup, is hosted every week. The way a player rises from the amateur ranks to become a pro is by moving up through each of the tournament circuits–a very competitive process.

Mobile and Multi(player) Approaches

Mobile game developers and studios are more popular in Vietnam than traditional development houses because it is less expensive to develop an application than it is to develop a computer or video game, which often require a large amount of staff. In some cases, a good mobile development team can be made up of a team leader, a coder, and a designer (if there needs to be three people at all). Plus, technologies like Unity 3D are leveling the playing field for development teams (in terms of costs and time) which means that the game concept, game design, and game mechanics will be even more important for differentiating quality games from clones and other apps that are riding popularity waves.

If a game is not a global hit, then for it to be successful in Vietnam it has to be localized to fit Vietnamese user preferences and expectations for games. The advantage here is for Vietnamese workers who have worked in foreign brand studios in Vietnam and have left to start their own development team (and who know the culture better than foreigners). They will have lower costs across the board to bring a product to the market. The safest route is to take a successful game product in China and to localize it for Vietnam–which is partly how VNG became so successful; this is a great strategy to reduce risk, especially for new entrants into the Vietnamese market. However, being truly innovative, especially in a “fringe” space, requires taking a risk to be contrarian and right. It will be interesting to see which strategy younger Vietnamese developers choose–both in the short term and in the future.

Current Perspectives of Vietnam

History is a series of perspectives on events; the victor usually writes the final version but there is no denying that there are Chinese, French, American, and Soviet perspectives when exploring Vietnam’s past. Examining present day Vietnam is seen through the eyes of individuals—those who have come here for the first time, locals, or those who have adopted this crossroads of development and tradition as their home. No matter which category you fall into, Vietnam will definitely be a wild and crazy ride at first, filled with extreme high points and it will also leave you frustrated and bewildered at other times.

On this blog, we mostly explore cross-cultural issues, business, and recent news and events all in an attempt to better understand Vietnam, its culture, and its people. However, the Vietnam experience is not uniform–that is to say that it is different for everyone who lives, works, or travels in Vietnam. For example, imagine a 20-something year old single British male English teacher’s experience in Saigon compared to the Hanoian experience of a 30-something year old Indian wife and mother of two. Or perhaps that of a 50-year old single American businessman working for a multi-national corporation (MNC). Or a young French woman, in a long-distance relationship, who is working for a non-governmental organization (NGO) in a remote town located in central Vietnam. You get the point (and, by the way, these were all fictional but plausible examples).

Perhaps the most interesting perspective is that of the Viet Kieu (or “Vietnamese Sojourner“). Thousands of people fled Vietnam during the Second Indochina War and thousands more fled after Vietnam was reunified in 1975, resulting in millions of people creating the Vietnamese diaspora throughout primarily North America and Europe. Many Viet Kieu families left Vietnam with just the clothes on their backs and settled into a new country to call home, usually starting over again with almost nothing. Subsequently, the Vietnamese government took a hardline position on those who had fled the country and denounced them as traitors. After some years, the Vietnamese government eventually called for the Viet Kieu to come back to Vietnam to reintegrate and afforded them special property and business rights in order to help speed up Vietnam’s economic development.

The younger Viet Kieu bring an interesting perspective to Vietnam—they usually grew up in culturally Vietnamese households but were exposed to western cultures and societies–undoubtedly mashing up the best elements from east and west. A Viet Kieu’s ability to have one foot in the west and another here in the east allows him/her to integrate more easily here and to bridge the cultural gap that non-Vietnamese sometimes find difficult to overcome. However, some Viet Kieu may, over time or immediately, reveal an arrogance that local Vietnamese can sense, perhaps due to socio-economic disparities. Actually, the best combination for people who seem to understand high global standards and the local way of doing things are Vietnamese who have successfully studied abroad and have been exposed to a different lifestyle. They are able to reflect, learn, and grow in ways that only travel and living abroad allow.

Only by opening up to differing perspectives can we begin to understand the world around us and how we fit in it. So, the following is a non-exhaustive list of blogs and videos relating to life in Vietnam (from mostly an outsider’s perspective). Of course, there are also Vietnamese bloggers and video bloggers (Vbloggers). We can’t share links to them here for legal and liability reasons (and if you don’t speak Vietnamese then they may serve little use to you, especially if using Google Translate).

It’s important to note that GKTA Group Limited neither endorses nor condones the varied views expressed in the blogs below—unless expressly stated otherwise. They are listed to demonstrate that no two people will have the same Vietnam experience although there will be many similarities and overlapping challenges.

 

Flying The Nest

Who? An American English teacher expat in Saigon

What? A pretty raw look at living in Saigon as an English teacher and interesting experiences encountered while meeting other cultures.

Why? Because English teachers seemingly make up 80% of the expats here in Vietnam.

You should check out this post.

 

Why Am I Here?

Who? A British expat who has made Saigon her home with her multi-cultural family.

What? Ms. Ray mostly “ blogs about the ups and downs of writing and living in Vietnam.”

Why? Insight from someone whose first time in Vietnam was in 1996 and has a deep reservoir of global experiences.

You should check out this post.

 

Because We Camp

Who? A traveling, backpacking, really rad couple going by the brand, “Because We Camp.”

What? A landing in Hanoi and subsequent travel down south to Saigon via motorbike.

Why? Included because it provides an accurate portrayal of a common first impression of Vietnam and it was enjoyable to watch.

You should check out this episode.

 

My Seasons In Saigon

Who? A former American university president.

What? A transitional blog, where the writer shares his thoughts and juxtaposes historical themes with cultural elements.

Why? Experience in the American education system and now heads up a university in Vietnam.

You should check out this post.

 

World Economic Forum Blog

Who? From current Prime Minster Nguyen Tan Dung.

What? A summary of the economic state of Vietnam and some projections for the near future.

Why? Self-explanatory.

 

Welcome To Vietnam

Who? From an American political writer.

What? A first-time account in Hanoi and Vietnam largely through a political lens.

Why? Entertaining first impressions of being in Hanoi–looking forward to Part 2 in Saigon.

 

Graduate of the Year

Who? NY Times writer Nicholas Kristoff.

What? An extraordinary look at one Vietnamese girl who defied all odds to become Graduate of the Year.

Why? Recent American college graduates, here’s one face of your competition who is willing to work harder for less money than you are.

 

Expat Diary: Saigon

Who? A nomadic photographer.

What? One woman’s view as an expat in Saigon.

Why? A blog about living in the moment—something that can be hard when adjusting to new settings, new faces, and new conditions.

You should check out this post.

 

SoJournaling Vietnam

Who? A younger American Viet Kieu.

What? Straight from California and living in Saigon for at least three years, Kyle Le (or ethnic version: Ky Le Le) showcases various interesting experiences from finding a good burger to asking foreigners what their impressions are of Vietnam.

Why? He has some interesting interviews with celebrities and foreigners.

You should check out this clip.

 

Departures. Vietnam.

Who? An American/Canadian team ventures off in Vietnam in association with National Geographic.

What?  A look at a Viet Kieu’s first time in Vietnam, traveling throughout the land, and the importance of family.

Why? Come on, it’s National Geographic.

 

And finally, from the perspective of a drone.

 

The point of this post was to communicate that everyone has something to add to the tapestry of the Vietnam experience but also that those experiences should be scrutinized (even ours) until the reader has had the chance to check out Vietnam for him/herself. There is no substitute for direct experience but short of that, the account, analysis, or opinion that you entertain should be sound, relevant, and contextual.

In the end, Vietnam is what you make of it—through the good times or the bad times or whatever experience in between. It’s not always easy to live here but after some time you will come to enjoy it and perhaps even thrive in the environment here. If not, then the alternatives always available are to go back to wherever you came from or to move on, which, in that case, there is no shame since Vietnam is not for everyone.

But while you are here, the only thing that you can directly control (and throughout life) is your attitude: toward others and toward the situation that you are in. We hope that these other current perspectives of Vietnam have allowed you to gauge how your experiences and perceptions are in line with other people. Should you wish to, please share your own experience in Vietnam below. 

Vietnamese Work Culture

If you are coming to work in Vietnam from the west then it might take some time to get used to the Vietnamese way of doing things, which can be effective in its own way (it works here after all) but can also be off-putting to some people and bewildering to others. The work culture here is a mixture of indirect communication, posturing, a heavy top-down management style, and (for some workers) a “good enough” mentality when it comes to performance. Needless to say, it can be challenging to communicate your vision for how something should be done based on a client’s or your requirements.

Vietnamese workers have different professional needs than workers in the west—both in the office and on site so you might have to employ different communication techniques and different ways to motivate them in order leverage their strengths once you begin to understand how to effectively communicate with local workers. If an option, starting a new worker on a smaller project and then gradually expanding his/her scope is a good way to build his/her confidence while minimizing organizational risk. Whatever it is that you expect of a worker here, you should be able to simplify the process as much as possible or should have even attempted the process yourself beforehand to know what the pitfalls are for workers. Perceptions of good design, aesthetics, and fashion are very different here from the west—explore these arts with an open mind but be aware of the limitations in terms of technology, skill level, and approved content.

Vietnamese are generally not geared toward being creative (in part, due to the educational system of learning and for fear of losing face) when it comes to work tasks so they can experience some trouble coming up with new ways to improve processes or in creative fields such as design. Being creative may simply be too risky for them since it requires thinking about concepts, products, services, etc. in a way that hasn’t been thought of before—and it lessens the chance of success since no one has done it that new way before. Similarly, for Vietnamese workers to imagine something being done a new way via your explanation might be hard for them. Therefore, Vietnamese workers seem to fall back on “tried-and-true” ways to solve problems—which doesn’t always scale well and may be counterproductive in some cases if a step in the process has to be redone due to different (international) requirements.

However, Vietnamese are generally good at copying things, i.e., if you show them exactly how you want something done in terms of a process and the finished result then that will increase the chances of your satisfaction for the product or task end result. This method can be helpful in batch manufacturing or for installations in construction. Vietnamese workers are also able to skillfully digitally recreate and combine graphic art as a base for future modification for whatever project you might be working on but they will require guidance and input from you. (Note: If you are hiring locals then they might leave to form their own company once you train them. There’s no way you can compete with them on wages because they will have a much lower cost of living than you do.)

Coming from the west, you might notice a lot of inefficiencies in your first week or month or year in your local organization but it would be wise to refrain from actively trying to change things until you’ve proven yourself to your local colleagues and built up some goodwill. A possible first step in the right direction might be to push upper management for the dismissal of underperforming teammates especially if it’s necessary to shape a better organizational culture/fit ( however, it can be hard to fire workers due to labor laws and/or relationships).

Managing Vietnamese Workers

If you are a manager in a Vietnamese company, then try to get to know your direct reporting team as much as possible. Go to café outings as a team (the male coworkers will probably be willing to go for beers but the female coworkers generally won’t) and participate in other semi-professional bonding experiences. As long as your team performs to an acceptable level (to those you report to), and your client or manager is happy then there really isn’t a need to change much except for the professional growth of your team.

At first, it might be hard to find out the strengths and weaknesses of your team because Vietnamese are generally shy and don’t naturally “sell” themselves. One of the biggest problems here is with lack of confidence: both with confidence in their abilities to succeed and in their confidence to ask clarifying questions without looking stupid (so assumptions are made and things are shoved forward at times). Don’t be surprised if you get lame responses for why something is late or wasn’t done as asked. Patience and polite firmness (“I’m sorry but I can’t allow or do that.”) are the only ways to be effective in those situations. Your top talent on the team might be the most reserved and you’ll have loudmouths who will talk and obfuscate their way to the top if you allow them to. Figuring out who is the real deal and who is just puffing his/her chest will take some time to figure out. Don’t underestimate or write off someone here based on a first impression; once you get to know them then you will be able to discern if they are competent or if they are a liability. It could be that with the right training, a good worker can become a great one.

Great workers can be hard to find because there is generally not much appreciation for the consequences of doing something one particular way versus another. The path taken by most workers here is usually the shortest and the one with the least resistance, especially in blue collar fields. This short-term focus can be incredibly frustrating at first because it requires addressing basic elements that you can take for granted elsewhere. For example, trade workers might show up to repair something in your home and then proceed to use your kitchen knives as their tools or your dish cloths as their rags to wipe down things (if they even clean up afterwards). They might even show up hungover or drunk as well so it could make for some interesting home repair experiences. The point here is that workers require more supervision than in the west (at least for the first time going through a process) or else you will find them using your butcher knife as a shovel, your steak knife to scrape paint off steps, and your paring knife to apply some chemical goo somewhere (yes those are all real examples but skill levels vary across local organizations).

Training Vietnamese Workers

That being stated, the best way to train workers here is through positive reinforcement, i.e., focusing on the things that are done right and minimizing the focus on negative aspects unless they are mission critical, e.g., “Do it more like the way that you previously did.” Any critical feedback should be done in private and praise should be given in public. Be cognizant of age differences between you and your counterpart because if you are younger than him/her then it could result in some awkward disagreements, especially if you feel that s/he is wrong (elders are usually given authority) and vice versa. The best way to move forward in situations like those is to focus on consistent future performance and try to get everyone on board in a harmonious way. Eventually, once you bond with your teammates, you will find that they will smile more, laugh more, and may even touch your arms or shoulders more when communicating with you. Some workers may be more affectionate than others but it’s just a way of showing you are one of them especially if there are language barriers. Regardless, one thing is guaranteed: they will all nap so it might be wise to change training schedules to meet those napping needs. Napping is part of daily life here during lunchtime; the workers will either fall asleep at their desks or find a beanbag or other comfortable surface (or will even end up on the floor). As they say, “don’t knock it until you try it.”

Future Vietnamese Workforce Potential

So while the Vietnamese workforce definitely has room to improve and grow, the trend in recent years is positive because the youth here are simply great. They are bright, optimistic for the future, talented, eager to learn, and focused on improving their socio-economic conditions. It might be this current generation that can unlock the full potential of Vietnam’s human capital resources. Those who study abroad are bringing back a different mindset for problem solving to share with the local organizations here and are actively involved in helping other students who haven’t had similar opportunities. The youth are interested in working with and learning new techniques, best practices, and new skills from foreigners and are, more importantly, generally honest about the challenges ahead for today’s Vietnam.

While it won’t be easy working with locals, and projects might take longer than you originally thought, and you might have to do more than your “fair share” of responsibilities to get something done the right way… with the right team, the right attitude, and the right training anything is possible in Vietnam. And soon enough with new technologies, new skills, and new attitudes that are being adopted on a daily basis, everything will be possible in Vietnam.

Time In Vietnam

A common sight in front of many businesses here.

A common sight in front of many businesses here.

Men playing a game in front of a temple.

Men playing a game in front of a temple.

Time on display.

Time on display.

A barge ran aground on the Mekong River.

A barge ran aground on the Mekong River.

Keep going forward and you will eventually get there or get run over.

Keep going forward and you will eventually get there or get run over.

One of the biggest differences between this part of the world and the west is how long things take to get done. If something takes x amount of time over there then expect it to take 3, 4, or 5x as long here—unless you have a well-connected local partner to fast track whatever it is you are doing in terms of paperwork or approvals. That’s for Saigon; it’s an even slower pace in Hanoi.

A simple task such as ordering at a restaurant might go a little something like this:

Person A orders.

Wait staff repeats Person A’s order.

Person A confirms.

Person B orders.

Wait staff repeats Person B’s order.

Person B confirms.

Wait staff repeats the entire table’s order.

Person A and Person B confirm.

That’s assuming the wait staff understood the orders right the first time. Getting the correct order on the table is a different matter entirely. 🙂

Even the fast food here isn’t really “fast” food (in the traditional sense) since Vietnamese families often fill various franchises around dinnertime, spending more time than required to just pop “in-and-out” for a meal. It’s a bit of a “badge of honor” to be seen in a western establishment for the average Vietnamese family because it shows they can afford eating there. Combined with the coffee culture here, people spend hours inside F&B shops chatting, talking, operating on social media, and generally being seen.

So, time has a different pace and value here than back west. If you take things here at face value then you will run the risk of wasting a lot of your time.

When working with locals, a common trend is overpromising and under delivering—especially when it comes to deadlines. You should not believe that something is done to the required specifications until you have seen it with your own eyes and have had time to review/test it.

Missing five deadlines in a three month period is a very real possibility here (a real example) and after a certain point the old adage comes to mind, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

Not everyone, but many locals here are focused on short term results which is evidenced by driving norms, etiquette (try stepping off a lift and you will see), and not doing things the “right way” the first time because it would simply take too long. Problems in a process are usually due to a lack of planning until it’s almost too late and then it’s rush, rush, rush!

Needless to say, communicating effectively can be very difficult here. You can explain something via phone, text, email, in person, whatever and it still might not be done the way you expected or wanted. Sometimes, people might tell you “yes” just to get rid of you or to save face or because they don’t understand what you are asking and are trying to be polite. Try to ask someone for directions and you’ll quickly understand how pointless it can be sometimes.

Short of learning the local language, speaking slowly, and rephrasing the major points go a long way toward reducing miscommunication. Hiring an interpreter is also an option but not the best long term strategy. The longer you stay in Vietnam the more seemingly strange things will start to make sense to you—but it’s a steep learning curve unless you take the time to research Vietnamese culture and history (and that includes learning the language). Asking local friends for clarification will help you understand Vietnam as well but be careful how you phrase your inquiry less you offend them.

To add to the language barrier frustration, you might have trouble figuring out what is true and what is false since everyone’s favorite English word seems to be “yes.” For example, if you ask a local colleague to sign off on some items that s/he was to have completed already the response you get might be affirmative but the task might not actually be done. “Trust, but verify” should be the mantra for westerners operating here or else you will become mad with frustration and waste valuable time.

Time here is abundant for many people; for example, a typical lunchtime might be 1.5 to 2 hours with eating, recreation, and napping. The heat and humidity can negatively affect productivity but the cost of labor is inexpensive so productivity is not as much of a concern as it is in the west. Locals could underappreciate your time when it comes to meeting start times and having you wait around for them. However, you shouldn’t show up late to a meeting because you assumed your counterpart has a polychromic view of time as well—not all locals are the same. There are also many temptations and distractions from professional life so it can be easy to slip into some bad habits that might not be so available or accepted in the west. Balance between work and personal interests as well between stress and relaxation are essential to being successful in Vietnam (and everywhere but, especially in Saigon, it seems easier to jump off the deep end for some people).

We counted three welders on site.

We counted three welders on site.

Some Vietnamese Phrases That May Save or Waste Your Time

“You need to move slow if you want to move fast.”

Meaning: Don’t pester the person you need to get something done or else they will dig their heels in and operate even more slowly to spite your perceived meddling Let them work at their own pace—in the end it will be faster and less stressful. If you are answering to westerners for a project then this could be a problem for you.

“You need to spend money to make money.”

Meaning: Vietnamese are attracted to those who they believe are successful. It might be real, or it might be an image. It could also be a fatalistic approach to justify whatever crazy scheme is going on. Finding out what is really going on could take a lot of digging and time—better to move on or do some circular research via mutual trusted contacts.

“In the end it will be okay so if it’s not okay then it’s not the end.”

Meaning: Largely an excuse for deflecting criticism or remaining unfazed by concerns that are presented. It could be the case if there are other unknown actors (usually family) who will swoop in to save the project in the final hour. It doesn’t sound like a promising result if that is their best strategy, right?

“Don’t need.” (“Cannot.”)

Meaning: You haven’t convinced a local decision maker that your suggestion is useful. Try a different approach because repeating yourself will just waste everyone’s time.

For example, when the founders of an online food ordering website here went around trying to get local restaurants to “install a machine that would print out orders from the internet” they eventually pitched it as “a salesperson you don’t need to pay.”

That resonated with restaurant owners and led to the adoption of the machine and their success. If you get a “no” the first time, then ask a different way or provide a range of options that you are willing to work with.

“Not your job, not my responsibility.”

Meaning: You are working with the crème de la crème! Cut your losses and move on (thereby saving your time). If that is not an option then you had better get into “CYA” mode.

Different Approaches for Different Situations

Whatever the situation, if you don’t get the response you wanted then ask someone who has been in Vietnam longer than you have for some feedback—chances are they will have some good suggestions for you. At the very least, “talking out” your problem will allow you to simplify it as you explain it to someone else. If that doesn’t work then as they say, “experience is what you get when you don’t get the results you wanted.”

Remember, the challenges you will be faced with while working here will be a culmination of differences—differences of visions, standards, expectations, of course languages and culture, and ultimately, opinions. Just keep in mind that it’s all a learning experience and a valuable education for what challenges might again lie ahead in the future when working in Vietnam (and you will already have part of the solution for the next time!).

Prepare to move slowly (budget, timetable, travel plans, etc.) but don’t waste time here since you won’t be able to get it back. Above all, the more time you spend in Vietnam, the more efficient you will become as long as you maintain your high standards and don’t try to change the whole country. Always remain patient, calm, and professional throughout every situation—even when those around you are not because it’s one of the best ways to ensure that you won’t have a bad time in Vietnam. After all, you’ll have peace of mind knowing that you did the right thing.

Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon)

Like many countries, Vietnam has experienced stark and monumental changes: periods of colonization, expansion, and more recently, independence and renovation (doi moi). However, throughout its history there has been a general flow of people from the original northern areas near China to the southern Mekong delta. These migration patterns have helped shape regional (north, central, south) and cultural identities on national, provincial, and municipal levels. Today, these differences are worth noting because they should influence effective communication in different parts of this heterogeneous country. Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City are just two metropolitan areas that differ in Vietnam so if you spend some time here then you will learn just how varied it can be.

Enough Vietnamese settlers traveled south to modern day Ho Chi Minh City (which was then part of Cambodia and known as Prey Nokor) that it eventually became part of Vietnam in the 17th century. Even after the war between the north and south ended in 1975, many Northerners traveled south to seek better economic conditions since the north was still largely war torn and the south was in better condition due to American investments (prior to the renaming of Saigon to Ho Chi Minh City which both names are used interchangeably today). And even today, some young Hanoians choose to go to HCMC in search of a career after graduating from university for a variety of reasons (more opportunities, more independence from family, a change of scenery, etc.).

So how have these trends impacted the Saigonese mentality? Well, Saigonese are known to be more entrepreneurial and are known as risk takers (after all, it’s risky to become a settler in search of a better life in a different place than “home”) compared to their Hanoian counterparts. Perhaps in part due to western (French and then American) business influence in the 20th century, there is generally better customer service in HCMC than in Hanoi. In fact, wait staff may be openly hostile toward customers in Hanoi, or at least slow to respond to customers’ needs. As a result, things move faster in Saigon than in Hanoi—at least on the surface.

In terms of business, there are smaller deals in Saigon but they are more certain and quicker to be completed. In Hanoi the focus is on larger deals but there may be more uncertainty even after the deal has been signed. Why? In general, Saigonese are spenders and Hanoians are savers. If you were to find five customers in Hanoi, then you would be able to find ten customers in Saigon for the same product/service. Saigon is definitely the economic center of the country; most multi-national corporations are set up in Saigon unless they need regular contact with government liaisons at various ministries.

So while Saigon is the economic center, Hanoi is the political and cultural capital which is a reason why Hanoians are reputed to make better managers than their more market-oriented Saigonese countrymen. Hanoians are also more pensive in terms of diving below the surface of situations, meanings, and intentions—but they can also be more abrupt in a way that might be interpreted as rude. The interesting (and misinformed) advice regularly given out in Saigon is to never do business with Hanoians because they will cheat their partners at the first chance. The people in Saigon who freely give out this advice are usually Saigonese who rarely visit Hanoi or foreigners who are repeating what their Saigonese friends told them.  While it is true that Saigonese are initially more open and friendlier than those in the north, Hanoians open up once a relationship has been established.

In terms of the atmospheres between the two cities, Saigon has quite an open layout with wide boulevards–but there is a lot of traffic and rush hour can be a nightmare, especially if caught in a storm on a motorbike. There seems to be just as much traffic in Hanoi but the streets are much narrower than in Saigon—perhaps half as wide, just as chaotic, and even smoggier than Saigon. However, there are more lakes and green space in Hanoi so the city feels “greener” than Saigon, which also has a river (with the same name) that runs through it like in Hanoi (Red River).

In terms of nightlife, everything is more opulent in the south and more reserved in the north. It’s safe to say that nightlife in Saigon and Hanoi are completely different; in Saigon some venues are open until sunrise and beyond. In Hanoi most places shut down at midnight as the police make their rounds. At sunset the Saigon skyline is colorful with light displays on buildings which are mostly situated in District 1. As a side note, the first (Keangnam) and third (Lotte Center) tallest buildings are in Hanoi with the second-tallest in Saigon (Bitexco).

On the street level, there is a more European feel in Hanoi–perhaps because of the historical relationship and student exchanges Hanoi has had with Moscow and other European capitals; after reunification it was not uncommon for Vietnamese to go abroad to study in countries such as Poland, former Czechoslovakia, former Soviet Union, and France (even before reunification due to colonial influence).

The European influence seems to extend to dress in Hanoi where its citizens tend to dress up more than the casual and laidback Saigonese. They certainly have the opportunity to wear layers during the winter when it can get quite cold—and most of the traditional buildings in Hanoi are not heated. Winter in Saigon is pretty mild, even at night. Even though Hanoians are more formal in their dress, Saigonese are flashier when it comes to material possessions such as luxury vehicles and jewelry.

Some people would say that, overall, Saigon is more suitable for westerners and both cities seem to attract different kinds of expats to each—for better or worse.  To truly understand Vietnam, one must spend time in more than one city because Vietnam is so different depending on the city or region. Some differences between the cities (and other places) may be immediately obvious, but others will take time to discern especially to a newcomer.

Northerners and southerners (and others) are able to tell one another apart pretty easily in conversations. One way to determine whether someone is from the north or south is by their accent. The northerners have a heavy emphasis on the “z” sound, even pronouncing the letter “r” as a “z” and the southerners prefer the “y” sound. Throughout Vietnam there are several major accents so it’s not just a “north” and “south” dichotomy—it’s just that those are the most apparent differences within the country since most foreigners in Vietnam visit either city.

The central and other areas (highlands, coast, etc.) all have their own distinct flavors and unique qualities. After all, there are more than 50 different ethnic groups in Vietnam. Despite the differences throughout the country, Vietnamese are more similar than they are different: they are all incredibly patriotic, they have a strong sense of family (certainly more than in the west), and if you establish and keep a good relationship with a Vietnamese person then it has the potential to last for a lifetime. Above all, not every person you encounter will be representative of the generalizations (and stereotypes) of their background—there are good and bad people everywhere—so an open mind, tacit knowledge, and a contextual awareness of every situation is vital. After all, it could be the only way to truly experience and embrace Vietnam and any opportunities that might unexpectedly come your way in this surprising country.