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On the road north of Vientiane.

Vientiane, Lao PDR

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In the 1960s Vientiane had the reputation of being the wildest city in Asia. Today, Laos–with Vientiane as its “sleepy” capital–is known as one of the most underdeveloped countries in the world. Usually, people know one of two facts about Laos: that it is land-locked or that it is the most heavily-bombed country, per-capita, in the world as a result of being a battleground for 20th century ideology. However, these quick facts don’t do the beautiful country and its warm and friendly people justice–and this basic knowledge barely scratches the surface of the complex history of Southeast Asia.

Laos shares a linked history with Vietnam but this relationship was further strengthened during French colonial times, and continued through the Second Indochina War. Even today, there are strong and deep ties between the two countries; for example, earlier this year Vietnam funded an upgrade to the Kaysone Phomvihane museum in Vientiane.

Similar to Vietnam, Lao PDR began to open its economy to the world in 1986 but maintained strict controls on its political apparatus. Despite the current political and economical situation, there is foreign investment here; a significant portion of new construction projects are implemented by either Vietnamese or Chinese companies depending on the size of the project. For existing construction, the electrical wiring indoors, while exposed, is run neatly, and the wiring in the streets are bundled together in an orderly fashion. In homes, switches and outlets are grouped together in junction boxes that are dispersed at chest level in various rooms. Anecdotally, the power might go out for a few hours once a month in the capital.

The most visible element of consumption by the upper class, luxury vehicles, are somewhat common throughout the capital and there are some nicely designed houses in a westernized sort of style dotted throughout Vientiane. The Toyota Hilux is the unofficial vehicle of Laos as it is ubiquitous throughout the capital. Furthermore, a significant number of vehicles are modified from their stock origins in some way–be it hood scoops, snake eyes, or chrome accents–so there is a growing tuner culture in Vientiane.

Unfortunately, rush hour traffic fills up portions of the city quickly and traffic jams can occur for no apparent reason, e.g., lack of a traffic collision or police checkpoint. When there isn’t heavy traffic, whirring diesel engines and turbo-chargers spooling up in SUVs are common sounds (and the drivers love to careen down roads meant to be driven on no higher than 30 or 40 KPH). Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, and other luxury vehicle brands have dealer presences in the capital; considering Lao PDR’s economic rankings, it can be surprising to see the Mercedes SLS in a showroom—and even more surprising to see it on the roads of Vientiane.

Vientiane Through Foreign and Local Eyes

Chiang Mai, Thailand and Vientiane, Lao PDR are two cities that are similar despite being in different countries; in terms of population, consumer preferences, and lifestyles they are very much aligned. Additionally, there is a strong Thai influence in regards to fashion, youth culture, news, and entertainment in Laos. The Lao PDR capital is literally across the river from northern Thailand, after all.

Even though many Thailand-based expats (farong in Thai) travel to Vientiane for visa-runs, it’s surprising that there isn’t a larger presence of foreign freelancers in Vientiane and in Laos in general. From a visa perspective, it can seem quite attractive for remote workers and there exists the support for foreign freelancers in Vientiane in the form of Toh Lao co-working space. For foreign full-time professionals, the options range from EMC to Sciaroni and Associates to DFDL (the last organization having been founded in Lao PDR). Of course, there are also some foreign banks such as VietinBank and Sacombank (Vietnamese banks) that have branches in Vientiane and there are also many foreign restaurants in the capital to represent small expat-operated businesses—Istanbul Restaurant, Soul Kitchen, and Jamil Zahid to name a few.

Many Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) have a large presence in Vientiane as well so there are expat support staff who regularly work with their local counterparts. In general, locals and foreigners who might meet and develop a romantic interest in each other can’t live together and sexual relations between them are forbidden–but marriage is always an option for those who find their soul mates in Lao PDR. A good way to meet people in the Vientiane business community is via weekly events such as the meetups put on by AmChamLao. In addition to the robust expat house party scene, there are the famous get-togethers at CCC bar in downtown Vientiane. Overall, Vientiane is a small place—there is a sense of a village mentality so reputation is important since “everyone knows everyone” in both the local and expat communities.

Outside of Vientiane and into the Countryside

The youth of Lao PDR’s high-society (Hi-So) in Vientiane can be found at Mark2 or Marina wearing trendy and/or revealing clothes and dancing the night away to western style arena house music from Thursday through Saturday nights. “After hours” almost always includes karaoke in some interesting but comfortable places for all sexes (since the culture is inclusive). Yet, these experiences are so far removed from the daily lives of the average Laotian.

Outside of Vientiane things quickly become poor besides a few cities like Luang Prabang, Pakse, and Suvannahkhet. Think unpaved roads, wooden huts, shoeless children, etc. However, throughout Lao PDR there exists a deeply respectful and hospitable culture with a strong beer drinking tradition; Lao people are perhaps the most laid back in Southeast Asia. The quintessential Lao experience is singing karaoke on a nearby river or body of water while drinking Beerlao. Social gatherings are important and women and men are not always separated at these events where people are sometimes sitting on the floor and are sharing food with one another. One unique aspect of Lao culture is the use of a single glass to drink beer in addition to a personal glass, which is passed around and shared among all the guests at an special event.

Other activities that Laotians enjoy include fishing, football (there already is a healthy representation of the up-to-date Germany World Cup jerseys), and petanque. Petanque in Laos is different than petanque in France (where it originated) and government ministries usually have a petanque court on site. Half the government ministries have their signs in French, and the other half in English (besides Lao)–the same goes for the road names in Vientiane.

The three most visible brands throughout Laos are Beeline, a telecommunications company; Beerlao, a product of Lao Brewing Company—a joint-venture between Carlsberg and Lao PDR; and Johnnie Walker, which is also popular in Thailand. Beerlao is on every restaurant sign as well as restaurant equipment such as standees and cash register desks—the result is a very large market share of beer consumption in Lao PDR.

A Future Focus

Officially, the Lao PDR government actively seeks investments in agriculture, hydropower, manufacturing, and tourism, according to its investment brochure. Organically, Laos experienced its first Startup Weekend ever in Vientiane in May of this year. Last week, Nana Souannavong, president of Snap International, and co-founder of Toh Lao co-working space, was gracious enough to explain to us the state of the startup ecosystem in Vientiane.

As Nana sees it, the biggest challenge ahead of the Vientiane startup community is getting people to understand what a startup is and getting people to be more entrepreneurial because they like the stability of public sector jobs. She shared with us that a generally strong curiosity among participants and a higher proportion of female entrepreneurs are the biggest strengths of the startup community in Vientiane. Those (aspiring) entrepreneurs who are passionate are the hardcore ones who stick through the multi-day events such as Startup Weekend–and they will be the ones to get the most out of the events. It gave her hope to see so many people show up to the first Startup Weekend because if no one showed up then she knew that the community wouldn’t be ready for another five years–the fact that people showed up was a huge victory for the Vientiane startup community. Nana also revealed that the winners of the May event are still working on the concept but as a side project since the team members already had a full-time focus before winning at the Startup Weekend.

While the official Lao PDR Small and Medium Enterprises (SME) office also supports startups, there will be many challenges on the way to creating and building a suitable environment for venture capital (VC) firms and angel investors to operate in—something does not exist although there are other forms of external investments. However, the legal framework does exist for foreign investors and founders in regards to equity but only outside of the retail industry. Nana’s advice to future entrepreneurs is to “think through what you are trying to do to understand the consequences.” Along those lines, her favorite quote is “life is an investment.” She should know since her company provides financial advice in money markets for local and foreign companies.

Startup Vientiane

At the Startup Weekend, there was a mix of tech and non-tech products and services being pitched but going forward there are no obvious areas for startups to form around. Y Combinator, perhaps the most prestigious startup accelerator, has a Request for Startups (RFS) feature on its website. While the list below is not a request for startups in the strictest sense, it does provide an external view on the opportunities in Vientiane and beyond after speaking to locals and longterm residents.

Opportunities for Startups:

-Targeting tourism (perhaps first via Triip.me and then expanding on original concepts specifically for Lao PDR)

-Creating accounting controls (perhaps in the form of mobile applications) for local and/or foreign SME in Lao PDR

-Products and/or services for the many NGOs in Lao PDR, e.g., tools to train local staff or tapping into external crowd funding

-Leveraging the growing consumer communities (for example, the car tuner culture) and collecting data points on them

-Helping expats to adjust to Laos by finding housing, goods, or services more easily (a better English->Lao dictionary, for example)

Perhaps when people think of Lao PDR in the future, a third fact might enter their consciousness: a growing startup hub centered around Vientiane. The people in Lao PDR have many things to offer the world–foremost among them is their hospitality and resilient attitude–this much is apparent upon crossing the border into Lao PDR. Another Startup Weekend is scheduled for later this year at Toh Lao co-working space–hopefully, the organizers will be able to build off the success of the last event and the participants will take even bigger risks to share their ideas with the community. It will be a long road indeed, but with community leaders like Nana, anything is possible.

 

Current Perspectives of Vietnam

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History is a series of perspectives on events; the victor usually writes the final version but there is no denying that there are Chinese, French, American, and Soviet perspectives when exploring Vietnam’s past. Examining present day Vietnam is seen through the eyes of individuals—those who have come here for the first time, locals, or those who have adopted this crossroads of development and tradition as their home. No matter which category you fall into, Vietnam will definitely be a wild and crazy ride at first, filled with extreme high points and it will also leave you frustrated and bewildered at other times.

On this blog, we mostly explore cross-cultural issues, business, and recent news and events all in an attempt to better understand Vietnam, its culture, and its people. However, the Vietnam experience is not uniform–that is to say that it is different for everyone who lives, works, or travels in Vietnam. For example, imagine a 20-something year old single British male English teacher’s experience in Saigon compared to the Hanoian experience of a 30-something year old Indian wife and mother of two. Or perhaps that of a 50-year old single American businessman working for a multi-national corporation (MNC). Or a young French woman, in a long-distance relationship, who is working for a non-governmental organization (NGO) in a remote town located in central Vietnam. You get the point (and, by the way, these were all fictional but plausible examples).

Perhaps the most interesting perspective is that of the Viet Kieu (or “Vietnamese Sojourner“). Thousands of people fled Vietnam during the Second Indochina War and thousands more fled after Vietnam was reunified in 1975, resulting in millions of people creating the Vietnamese diaspora throughout primarily North America and Europe. Many Viet Kieu families left Vietnam with just the clothes on their backs and settled into a new country to call home, usually starting over again with almost nothing. Subsequently, the Vietnamese government took a hardline position on those who had fled the country and denounced them as traitors. After some years, the Vietnamese government eventually called for the Viet Kieu to come back to Vietnam to reintegrate and afforded them special property and business rights in order to help speed up Vietnam’s economic development.

The younger Viet Kieu bring an interesting perspective to Vietnam—they usually grew up in culturally Vietnamese households but were exposed to western cultures and societies–undoubtedly mashing up the best elements from east and west. A Viet Kieu’s ability to have one foot in the west and another here in the east allows him/her to integrate more easily here and to bridge the cultural gap that non-Vietnamese sometimes find difficult to overcome. However, some Viet Kieu may, over time or immediately, reveal an arrogance that local Vietnamese can sense, perhaps due to socio-economic disparities. Actually, the best combination for people who seem to understand high global standards and the local way of doing things are Vietnamese who have successfully studied abroad and have been exposed to a different lifestyle. They are able to reflect, learn, and grow in ways that only travel and living abroad allow.

Only by opening up to differing perspectives can we begin to understand the world around us and how we fit in it. So, the following is a non-exhaustive list of blogs and videos relating to life in Vietnam (from mostly an outsider’s perspective). Of course, there are also Vietnamese bloggers and video bloggers (Vbloggers). We can’t share links to them here for legal and liability reasons (and if you don’t speak Vietnamese then they may serve little use to you, especially if using Google Translate).

It’s important to note that GKTA Group Limited neither endorses nor condones the varied views expressed in the blogs below—unless expressly stated otherwise. They are listed to demonstrate that no two people will have the same Vietnam experience although there will be many similarities and overlapping challenges.

 

Flying The Nest

Who? An American English teacher expat in Saigon

What? A pretty raw look at living in Saigon as an English teacher and interesting experiences encountered while meeting other cultures.

Why? Because English teachers seemingly make up 80% of the expats here in Vietnam.

You should check out this post.

 

Why Am I Here?

Who? A British expat who has made Saigon her home with her multi-cultural family.

What? Ms. Ray mostly “ blogs about the ups and downs of writing and living in Vietnam.”

Why? Insight from someone whose first time in Vietnam was in 1996 and has a deep reservoir of global experiences.

You should check out this post.

 

Because We Camp

Who? A traveling, backpacking, really rad couple going by the brand, “Because We Camp.”

What? A landing in Hanoi and subsequent travel down south to Saigon via motorbike.

Why? Included because it provides an accurate portrayal of a common first impression of Vietnam and it was enjoyable to watch.

You should check out this episode.

 

My Seasons In Saigon

Who? A former American university president.

What? A transitional blog, where the writer shares his thoughts and juxtaposes historical themes with cultural elements.

Why? Experience in the American education system and now heads up a university in Vietnam.

You should check out this post.

 

World Economic Forum Blog

Who? From current Prime Minster Nguyen Tan Dung.

What? A summary of the economic state of Vietnam and some projections for the near future.

Why? Self-explanatory.

 

Welcome To Vietnam

Who? From an American political writer.

What? A first-time account in Hanoi and Vietnam largely through a political lens.

Why? Entertaining first impressions of being in Hanoi–looking forward to Part 2 in Saigon.

 

Graduate of the Year

Who? NY Times writer Nicholas Kristoff.

What? An extraordinary look at one Vietnamese girl who defied all odds to become Graduate of the Year.

Why? Recent American college graduates, here’s one face of your competition who is willing to work harder for less money than you are.

 

Expat Diary: Saigon

Who? A nomadic photographer.

What? One woman’s view as an expat in Saigon.

Why? A blog about living in the moment—something that can be hard when adjusting to new settings, new faces, and new conditions.

You should check out this post.

 

SoJournaling Vietnam

Who? A younger American Viet Kieu.

What? Straight from California and living in Saigon for at least three years, Kyle Le (or ethnic version: Ky Le Le) showcases various interesting experiences from finding a good burger to asking foreigners what their impressions are of Vietnam.

Why? He has some interesting interviews with celebrities and foreigners.

You should check out this clip.

 

Departures. Vietnam.

Who? An American/Canadian team ventures off in Vietnam in association with National Geographic.

What?  A look at a Viet Kieu’s first time in Vietnam, traveling throughout the land, and the importance of family.

Why? Come on, it’s National Geographic.

 

And finally, from the perspective of a drone.

 

The point of this post was to communicate that everyone has something to add to the tapestry of the Vietnam experience but also that those experiences should be scrutinized (even ours) until the reader has had the chance to check out Vietnam for him/herself. There is no substitute for direct experience but short of that, the account, analysis, or opinion that you entertain should be sound, relevant, and contextual.

In the end, Vietnam is what you make of it—through the good times or the bad times or whatever experience in between. It’s not always easy to live here but after some time you will come to enjoy it and perhaps even thrive in the environment here. If not, then the alternatives always available are to go back to wherever you came from or to move on, which, in that case, there is no shame since Vietnam is not for everyone.

But while you are here, the only thing that you can directly control (and throughout life) is your attitude: toward others and toward the situation that you are in. We hope that these other current perspectives of Vietnam have allowed you to gauge how your experiences and perceptions are in line with other people. Should you wish to, please share your own experience in Vietnam below. 

How to Find a Job in Asia (Vietnam)

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It’s great that you’re interested in working in Vietnam, but it’s time to get more specific because Vietnam has different regions, cities, and lifestyles to choose from. Finding a place where you can grow professionally and personally can be a bit tricky but it’s definitely possible–especially once you narrow down your living and working options. Expats tend to end up here in a variety of ways: some people were sent by their foreign companies, others acted as consultants to local or foreign entities, another portion decided to take an extended vacation here once they arrived, and for another segment there are clear cultural ties to the country.

If you don’t fall into any of these groups then Vietnam has piqued your interest for reasons other than having already experienced it, which can be riskier from a company’s perspective since Vietnam is not everyone’s cup of tea and some people choose to move on after briefly experiencing life here. Yes, there is something special about Vietnam that can draw people in but there are also many things which can drive a person out of the country as well. Living and working in Vietnam can be very challenging at times so if you are able to withstand it or thrive here then congratulations are in order and you should be proud of yourself because it’s not something that everyone can do.

Searching in Vietnam

Therefore, it’s best to get out here on the ground and network to show that you are committed to working in Vietnam until you find something suitable. First, you should decide which city you would like to work in based on your research about the Vietnam market; you should be able to clearly explain why you are interested in working and living in Vietnam, especially if you have never been here before or you don’t have any cultural ties to Vietnam.

A brief overview of some cities in Vietnam:

Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon, in the south): Fast-paced, more cosmopolitan, more international, more western-oriented. Great for entrepreneurs, FMCG, startups, business people, artists, marketing agencies, etc.

Hanoi (the nation’s capital, in the north): More traditional, slower pace, tighter expat community, “early to bed, early to rise mentality.” Great for NGOs, diplomatic corps, building relationships in the local government, niche opportunities, etc.

Da Nang (in the central region): Surrounded by great beaches, more laid back, cleaner, an up-and-coming city with quick growth, especially in the tech sector, and third biggest economic center, etc. Great for those who are seeking “something different” in Vietnam beyond the standard two choices above.

Of course, there are other cities to choose from in Vietnam, but the above are the usual ones that expats end up living in.

So after you have picked a city, you will need to pick a date that you will move to that city (you can get a three month visa—single or multiple entry—from your local embassy/consulate/mission or through www.vietnamvisa.com for a visa on arrival). You’ll need to start networking at least one month out from when you will arrive in the city. Make a list of the companies in your industry that are operating in your city of choice as well as positions that are available throughout the country (you have to go where the opportunities are, after all).

Resources:

  1. LinkedIn (www.linkedin.com)
  2. Vietnam Works (www.vietnamworks.com)
  3. Indeed.com (www.indeed.com.vn)
  4. Monster (www.monster.com.vn)
  5. ITViec (www.itviec.com)

When you apply to positions found on online job boards, you can mention the date which you will arrive in your cover letter and any experience that you have in Vietnam or Asia. In terms of networking, start by connecting with people in your field: ask them to meet for a coffee once you arrive in town, or for successful advice, or what’s your industry like in Vietnam compared to other countries (maybe you both have lived in the same city elsewhere). You can also try reaching out to recruiting firms to see if they are searching for candidates with your profile—although this route is better for executives. It would also be wise to check for upcoming local tradeshows or conferences that you can participate in and adjust your flight accordingly. It would be a shame to miss an important yearly event by a day or two when you could have started your job search off strong.

Before you leave for your current destination, you should have an updated CV (the format is more detailed in Asia than in the west), an elevator pitch, and even business cards with your name, email, and mobile number (if you can get a friend to buy you a SIM card in Vietnam before arriving). If you wait until you arrive in Vietnam then try to get a 10-digit number (as opposed to a 11-digit number) with as many sixes and eights (lucky numbers) as possible. Viettel is a good choice as a network provider due to its extensive coverage throughout Vietnam in both urban and rural areas.

Landing in Vietnam

Once you arrive in town call up people to follow through on the meetings you set up before arriving in country. Go to your Chamber of Commerce meetings and events, and attend as many relevant networking events and activities as possible.

Resources:

  1. City Net Events (www.citynetevents.com/)
  2. Chamber of Commerce (e.g., www.eurochamvn.org/)
  3. Meetup Groups (e.g., www.meetup.com/hanoiinenglish/)
  4. CouchSurfing Events (e.g., www.couchsurfing.org/n/events/all-about-cs-hanoi-hanoi–2)
  5. Sports Clubs (e.g., www.Facebook.com/hanoi.ultimate.club)

Every expat has experienced his/her first day in a new country so most are willing to help out or advise newcomers on potential pitfalls and ways to limit their liabilities here. However, not everyone will have or make time to meet you for coffee so don’t take it personally if someone doesn’t get back to you—be professional and keep good relations as much as possible since the world is a small place.

Volunteering to help organize events or to work events is also another way to make connections with people who are more familiar with the business community than you are. It also allows you to make a case for why you would be an asset to an organization. Keep in mind that to do that effectively you must research the organization that you are interested in working at. Differentiation is the name of the game here in order for your qualifications and interests to fit in with a company’s mission and culture.

Potential Barriers

  1. Cost
  2. Commitment
  3. Lack of support system

Buying a one-way ticket or carving out up to three months of your life to search for a job might seem like quite the undertaking. It is, for sure, but if things don’t work out then you can always buy a return trip ticket after a three month vacation. The monthly average rent for a room here is between $165 and $300 plus around $50 in utilities (depending on room/person distribution). Depending on where you are coming from, a flight can be several hundred dollars for a one-way ticket to a couple thousand dollars or more for roundtrip tickets. Yes, it is expensive but the upside is that you will have an experience that not many people get to have: living in a new country, learning a different way of doing things, making friends from other parts of the world, making a direct impact on those around you, and learning new things about yourself. In the long run, three months is a short time to take a healthy risk that will most likely change your life for the better.

If you don’t know anyone in Vietnam and have never visited before then for sure it will be that much harder for you to network. Perhaps traveling here first is in order to see if you enjoy Vietnam as a tourist (you could do a regional tour as well to see if another place is a better fit). You can schedule some coffee meetings during this “exploratory” phase and then after doing some more primary and secondary research you can decide for yourself if Vietnam is the place for you. If you do decide to come back then you’ll have some contacts in place and will be able to expand your network accordingly.

Don’t be discouraged if it takes longer than you expected to find a job—you’re just proving that you really want to be in Vietnam and sooner or later someone will recognize and appreciate your efforts. Stay focused on the long-term and don’t try to take shortcuts here or venture into the darker side of Vietnam. In a country that is not yours, the locals will always have the upper hand as they have the language, relationship, and experience advantages. There is a high risk that you will end up on the wrong side of things if you embark in any of their schemes. That also goes for other expats you meet—Vietnam attracts different kinds of people for different reasons so use your judgment and trust your intuition in new or ambiguous situations.

Suggestions for Success

  1. Learn the local language (you will save so much time and build relationships more quickly)
  2. Learn the local business culture (you will be able to avoid faux pas and participate and contribute effectively and appropriately in business settings)
  3. Learn the history (the Chinese, the French, the Japanese, and the Americans have all directly influenced Vietnam’s history at one point or another—how might that affect the Vietnamese perspective toward foreigners?)
  4. Understand the “pulse” of the city and country (What might your city be like in a year? Or five years? What are the major ongoing infrastructure or development projects?)
  5. Recognize opportunities and how to leverage them, and your global network (Do you see a product or service that Vietnamese consumers would want or need? Do you have a friend who has skills that would be valuable to a company in Vietnam? Make connections, both in person and for potential opportunities.)

Being based in Vietnam makes all of the above suggestions easier to implement. Even prior travel to Vietnam looks more credible when applying for jobs or talking to hiring managers. The surest way to finding a position where you can add value and grow is by finding an organization whose mission, values, and projects you are interested in. Then, you can create a strategy for getting to know people in that organization and from there the possibilities are endless. Remember, you are looking to get your foot in the door so stay focused on gaining experience and time working in Vietnam—from there you can prove your value to your organization and create your own career path in the country or region. Good luck!

 

 

Why waste time trying to figure out which is the correct wire when you can just run a new one?

Vietnamese Work Culture

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If you are coming to work in Vietnam from the west then it might take some time to get used to the Vietnamese way of doing things, which can be effective in its own way (it works here after all) but can also be off-putting to some people and bewildering to others. The work culture here is a mixture of indirect communication, posturing, a heavy top-down management style, and (for some workers) a “good enough” mentality when it comes to performance. Needless to say, it can be challenging to communicate your vision for how something should be done based on a client’s or your requirements.

Vietnamese workers have different professional needs than workers in the west—both in the office and on site so you might have to employ different communication techniques and different ways to motivate them in order leverage their strengths once you begin to understand how to effectively communicate with local workers. If an option, starting a new worker on a smaller project and then gradually expanding his/her scope is a good way to build his/her confidence while minimizing organizational risk. Whatever it is that you expect of a worker here, you should be able to simplify the process as much as possible or should have even attempted the process yourself beforehand to know what the pitfalls are for workers. Perceptions of good design, aesthetics, and fashion are very different here from the west—explore these arts with an open mind but be aware of the limitations in terms of technology, skill level, and approved content.

Vietnamese are generally not geared toward being creative (in part, due to the educational system of learning and for fear of losing face) when it comes to work tasks so they can experience some trouble coming up with new ways to improve processes or in creative fields such as design. Being creative may simply be too risky for them since it requires thinking about concepts, products, services, etc. in a way that hasn’t been thought of before—and it lessens the chance of success since no one has done it that new way before. Similarly, for Vietnamese workers to imagine something being done a new way via your explanation might be hard for them. Therefore, Vietnamese workers seem to fall back on “tried-and-true” ways to solve problems—which doesn’t always scale well and may be counterproductive in some cases if a step in the process has to be redone due to different (international) requirements.

However, Vietnamese are generally good at copying things, i.e., if you show them exactly how you want something done in terms of a process and the finished result then that will increase the chances of your satisfaction for the product or task end result. This method can be helpful in batch manufacturing or for installations in construction. Vietnamese workers are also able to skillfully digitally recreate and combine graphic art as a base for future modification for whatever project you might be working on but they will require guidance and input from you. (Note: If you are hiring locals then they might leave to form their own company once you train them. There’s no way you can compete with them on wages because they will have a much lower cost of living than you do.)

Coming from the west, you might notice a lot of inefficiencies in your first week or month or year in your local organization but it would be wise to refrain from actively trying to change things until you’ve proven yourself to your local colleagues and built up some goodwill. A possible first step in the right direction might be to push upper management for the dismissal of underperforming teammates especially if it’s necessary to shape a better organizational culture/fit ( however, it can be hard to fire workers due to labor laws and/or relationships).

Managing Vietnamese Workers

If you are a manager in a Vietnamese company, then try to get to know your direct reporting team as much as possible. Go to café outings as a team (the male coworkers will probably be willing to go for beers but the female coworkers generally won’t) and participate in other semi-professional bonding experiences. As long as your team performs to an acceptable level (to those you report to), and your client or manager is happy then there really isn’t a need to change much except for the professional growth of your team.

At first, it might be hard to find out the strengths and weaknesses of your team because Vietnamese are generally shy and don’t naturally “sell” themselves. One of the biggest problems here is with lack of confidence: both with confidence in their abilities to succeed and in their confidence to ask clarifying questions without looking stupid (so assumptions are made and things are shoved forward at times). Don’t be surprised if you get lame responses for why something is late or wasn’t done as asked. Patience and polite firmness (“I’m sorry but I can’t allow or do that.”) are the only ways to be effective in those situations. Your top talent on the team might be the most reserved and you’ll have loudmouths who will talk and obfuscate their way to the top if you allow them to. Figuring out who is the real deal and who is just puffing his/her chest will take some time to figure out. Don’t underestimate or write off someone here based on a first impression; once you get to know them then you will be able to discern if they are competent or if they are a liability. It could be that with the right training, a good worker can become a great one.

Great workers can be hard to find because there is generally not much appreciation for the consequences of doing something one particular way versus another. The path taken by most workers here is usually the shortest and the one with the least resistance, especially in blue collar fields. This short-term focus can be incredibly frustrating at first because it requires addressing basic elements that you can take for granted elsewhere. For example, trade workers might show up to repair something in your home and then proceed to use your kitchen knives as their tools or your dish cloths as their rags to wipe down things (if they even clean up afterwards). They might even show up hungover or drunk as well so it could make for some interesting home repair experiences. The point here is that workers require more supervision than in the west (at least for the first time going through a process) or else you will find them using your butcher knife as a shovel, your steak knife to scrape paint off steps, and your paring knife to apply some chemical goo somewhere (yes those are all real examples but skill levels vary across local organizations).

Training Vietnamese Workers

That being stated, the best way to train workers here is through positive reinforcement, i.e., focusing on the things that are done right and minimizing the focus on negative aspects unless they are mission critical, e.g., “Do it more like the way that you previously did.” Any critical feedback should be done in private and praise should be given in public. Be cognizant of age differences between you and your counterpart because if you are younger than him/her then it could result in some awkward disagreements, especially if you feel that s/he is wrong (elders are usually given authority) and vice versa. The best way to move forward in situations like those is to focus on consistent future performance and try to get everyone on board in a harmonious way. Eventually, once you bond with your teammates, you will find that they will smile more, laugh more, and may even touch your arms or shoulders more when communicating with you. Some workers may be more affectionate than others but it’s just a way of showing you are one of them especially if there are language barriers. Regardless, one thing is guaranteed: they will all nap so it might be wise to change training schedules to meet those napping needs. Napping is part of daily life here during lunchtime; the workers will either fall asleep at their desks or find a beanbag or other comfortable surface (or will even end up on the floor). As they say, “don’t knock it until you try it.”

Future Vietnamese Workforce Potential

So while the Vietnamese workforce definitely has room to improve and grow, the trend in recent years is positive because the youth here are simply great. They are bright, optimistic for the future, talented, eager to learn, and focused on improving their socio-economic conditions. It might be this current generation that can unlock the full potential of Vietnam’s human capital resources. Those who study abroad are bringing back a different mindset for problem solving to share with the local organizations here and are actively involved in helping other students who haven’t had similar opportunities. The youth are interested in working with and learning new techniques, best practices, and new skills from foreigners and are, more importantly, generally honest about the challenges ahead for today’s Vietnam.

While it won’t be easy working with locals, and projects might take longer than you originally thought, and you might have to do more than your “fair share” of responsibilities to get something done the right way… with the right team, the right attitude, and the right training anything is possible in Vietnam. And soon enough with new technologies, new skills, and new attitudes that are being adopted on a daily basis, everything will be possible in Vietnam.

Time In Vietnam

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A common sight in front of many businesses here.

A common sight in front of many businesses here.

Men playing a game in front of a temple.

Men playing a game in front of a temple.

Time on display.

Time on display.

A barge ran aground on the Mekong River.

A barge ran aground on the Mekong River.

Keep going forward and you will eventually get there or get run over.

Keep going forward and you will eventually get there or get run over.

One of the biggest differences between this part of the world and the west is how long things take to get done. If something takes x amount of time over there then expect it to take 3, 4, or 5x as long here—unless you have a well-connected local partner to fast track whatever it is you are doing in terms of paperwork or approvals. That’s for Saigon; it’s an even slower pace in Hanoi.

A simple task such as ordering at a restaurant might go a little something like this:

Person A orders.

Wait staff repeats Person A’s order.

Person A confirms.

Person B orders.

Wait staff repeats Person B’s order.

Person B confirms.

Wait staff repeats the entire table’s order.

Person A and Person B confirm.

That’s assuming the wait staff understood the orders right the first time. Getting the correct order on the table is a different matter entirely. 🙂

Even the fast food here isn’t really “fast” food (in the traditional sense) since Vietnamese families often fill various franchises around dinnertime, spending more time than required to just pop “in-and-out” for a meal. It’s a bit of a “badge of honor” to be seen in a western establishment for the average Vietnamese family because it shows they can afford eating there. Combined with the coffee culture here, people spend hours inside F&B shops chatting, talking, operating on social media, and generally being seen.

So, time has a different pace and value here than back west. If you take things here at face value then you will run the risk of wasting a lot of your time.

When working with locals, a common trend is overpromising and under delivering—especially when it comes to deadlines. You should not believe that something is done to the required specifications until you have seen it with your own eyes and have had time to review/test it.

Missing five deadlines in a three month period is a very real possibility here (a real example) and after a certain point the old adage comes to mind, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

Not everyone, but many locals here are focused on short term results which is evidenced by driving norms, etiquette (try stepping off a lift and you will see), and not doing things the “right way” the first time because it would simply take too long. Problems in a process are usually due to a lack of planning until it’s almost too late and then it’s rush, rush, rush!

Needless to say, communicating effectively can be very difficult here. You can explain something via phone, text, email, in person, whatever and it still might not be done the way you expected or wanted. Sometimes, people might tell you “yes” just to get rid of you or to save face or because they don’t understand what you are asking and are trying to be polite. Try to ask someone for directions and you’ll quickly understand how pointless it can be sometimes.

Short of learning the local language, speaking slowly, and rephrasing the major points go a long way toward reducing miscommunication. Hiring an interpreter is also an option but not the best long term strategy. The longer you stay in Vietnam the more seemingly strange things will start to make sense to you—but it’s a steep learning curve unless you take the time to research Vietnamese culture and history (and that includes learning the language). Asking local friends for clarification will help you understand Vietnam as well but be careful how you phrase your inquiry less you offend them.

To add to the language barrier frustration, you might have trouble figuring out what is true and what is false since everyone’s favorite English word seems to be “yes.” For example, if you ask a local colleague to sign off on some items that s/he was to have completed already the response you get might be affirmative but the task might not actually be done. “Trust, but verify” should be the mantra for westerners operating here or else you will become mad with frustration and waste valuable time.

Time here is abundant for many people; for example, a typical lunchtime might be 1.5 to 2 hours with eating, recreation, and napping. The heat and humidity can negatively affect productivity but the cost of labor is inexpensive so productivity is not as much of a concern as it is in the west. Locals could underappreciate your time when it comes to meeting start times and having you wait around for them. However, you shouldn’t show up late to a meeting because you assumed your counterpart has a polychromic view of time as well—not all locals are the same. There are also many temptations and distractions from professional life so it can be easy to slip into some bad habits that might not be so available or accepted in the west. Balance between work and personal interests as well between stress and relaxation are essential to being successful in Vietnam (and everywhere but, especially in Saigon, it seems easier to jump off the deep end for some people).

We counted three welders on site.

We counted three welders on site.

Some Vietnamese Phrases That May Save or Waste Your Time

“You need to move slow if you want to move fast.”

Meaning: Don’t pester the person you need to get something done or else they will dig their heels in and operate even more slowly to spite your perceived meddling Let them work at their own pace—in the end it will be faster and less stressful. If you are answering to westerners for a project then this could be a problem for you.

“You need to spend money to make money.”

Meaning: Vietnamese are attracted to those who they believe are successful. It might be real, or it might be an image. It could also be a fatalistic approach to justify whatever crazy scheme is going on. Finding out what is really going on could take a lot of digging and time—better to move on or do some circular research via mutual trusted contacts.

“In the end it will be okay so if it’s not okay then it’s not the end.”

Meaning: Largely an excuse for deflecting criticism or remaining unfazed by concerns that are presented. It could be the case if there are other unknown actors (usually family) who will swoop in to save the project in the final hour. It doesn’t sound like a promising result if that is their best strategy, right?

“Don’t need.” (“Cannot.”)

Meaning: You haven’t convinced a local decision maker that your suggestion is useful. Try a different approach because repeating yourself will just waste everyone’s time.

For example, when the founders of an online food ordering website here went around trying to get local restaurants to “install a machine that would print out orders from the internet” they eventually pitched it as “a salesperson you don’t need to pay.”

That resonated with restaurant owners and led to the adoption of the machine and their success. If you get a “no” the first time, then ask a different way or provide a range of options that you are willing to work with.

“Not your job, not my responsibility.”

Meaning: You are working with the crème de la crème! Cut your losses and move on (thereby saving your time). If that is not an option then you had better get into “CYA” mode.

Different Approaches for Different Situations

Whatever the situation, if you don’t get the response you wanted then ask someone who has been in Vietnam longer than you have for some feedback—chances are they will have some good suggestions for you. At the very least, “talking out” your problem will allow you to simplify it as you explain it to someone else. If that doesn’t work then as they say, “experience is what you get when you don’t get the results you wanted.”

Remember, the challenges you will be faced with while working here will be a culmination of differences—differences of visions, standards, expectations, of course languages and culture, and ultimately, opinions. Just keep in mind that it’s all a learning experience and a valuable education for what challenges might again lie ahead in the future when working in Vietnam (and you will already have part of the solution for the next time!).

Prepare to move slowly (budget, timetable, travel plans, etc.) but don’t waste time here since you won’t be able to get it back. Above all, the more time you spend in Vietnam, the more efficient you will become as long as you maintain your high standards and don’t try to change the whole country. Always remain patient, calm, and professional throughout every situation—even when those around you are not because it’s one of the best ways to ensure that you won’t have a bad time in Vietnam. After all, you’ll have peace of mind knowing that you did the right thing.

Communicating in Vietnam

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Coming to Vietnam and doing things the way you did them back home simply won’t work. The best case scenario is that your local staff will undermine you at every opportunity, and the worst case scenario is that you will lose money, time, and an opportunity to build a relationship. Make no mistake: you will get figuratively smacked in the face if you come here with a western attitude and approach to solving problems.

Vietnam is notoriously difficult for doing business; the cards are stacked against foreigners. The laws favor locals, contracts don’t hold nearly as much value as back home, and you are a walking Euro or Dollar sign to many people here.

Many business deals in Vietnam are done in a venue: a bar, karaoke, restaurant, etc. But to get to that point any lasting relationship in Vietnam begins with a coffee meeting, usually after an introductory meeting through mutual friends in a comfortable setting.

Another route to that initial coffee meeting might be through a networking event usually run by a national Chamber of Commerce. These are relaxed settings for meeting anyone who has business interests in Vietnam. Business cards rule in Vietnam; you can get about 200 quality cards for $15 in Hanoi. You may find that at networking events people might pay more attention to your title than your company’s name. They are either sizing up decision makers as potential allies or trying to decide if you are older or younger than you look.

Vietnamese society is built on age differences and age distances. Whether someone is older or younger than you determines how you address them and how they address you. Vietnam is a patriarch-oriented society so the most revered member of every family is the grandfather.

This patriarch authority/respect is reflected in the business world by the relationship between a manager and his/her subordinates: it is a one-way downhill street. Vietnamese workers are almost wholly submissive to leaders and managers. A teacher, boss, or whoever is in a position of power is almost never challenged by their subordinates. If, as a stakeholder, you point out a potential problem don’t expect any pats on your back. The response you might get is more of an antagonistic one for pointing out problems where there were seemingly none before.

Schedules, for the most part, are guidelines unless you have a different prior experience with the schedule presenter. Furthermore, contracts don’t really mean anything either which is part of the reason why the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) is preferred in Vietnam. A contract here is an acknowledgement of a relationship that both parties agree to put effort toward maintaining. Why? Because enforcing them is much easier said than done in this legal environment and usually, whoever is better connected wins the case if it’s brought before a judge.

For one, Vietnamese don’t like to email—they prefer texting, and in-person meetings most of all. Therefore, it can be tricky to establish a “paper trail.” Even if you get your local partner to sign off on something, it is not guaranteed because the task might not even be done. Communicate requirements via email, text, phone, in person, and demonstration and the other party will almost always say they understand. Ask if something has been done and the response will almost always be yes. But if you go and check the task’s status, then it might not have even been started yet.

The best way to spot problems is during the process not after. Don’t take deadlines or statements at face value here.  Vietnamese are generally shy—especially in groups. They won’t ask questions if they don’t understand something unless they absolutely have to—which means often things are not done correctly the first time. And no way would one Vietnamese ask another coworker for clarification of a certain process for fear of looking stupid.

Motivating local workers is a challenge: some companies try to communicate family/work life balance, reasonable hours, and opportunities for advancement (based on meeting goals) to their workers. But for the average Vietnamese company, there isn’t much training or development available other than “learn as you go,” if at all. Expect to have lots of interactions “lost in translation” unless you have an awesome interpreter or your counterpart understands your language fairly well. The challenges presented in doing business will be the culmination of differences—differences of visions, standards, expectations, languages, culture, and ultimately, opinions. At times you will be frustrated. However, it will be a learning experience and a valuable education for doing business in Vietnam. The onus will be on you to respond to misunderstandings, unreasonable requests, and perceived rudeness with grace since you are a guest in Vietnam.

Finding a trusted local partner is perhaps the biggest challenge of all in Vietnam because through him/her all things are easier. There are several circles of expats in Hanoi and Saigon: NGO, Diplomatic, English Teacher, Entrepreneur, and Startups. Find someone who has been here longer than you to help guide you toward potential trusted partners or else you may be burned on your first or second time around.

Understanding the Vietnamese mentality is a major part of making sense of the responses here. They are generally risk averse for formal businesses unless gambling is involved. If your audience has not seen something done before in Vietnam then it is not possible for that business model to exist no matter how much you try to convince them. “If it was possible then someone would have done it so since no one has done it before then it’s not possible.” That’s why there are so many copycat retail stores on the same street.

The other reason they are risk averse is because failure is shunned so much as a result of losing face. Disagree in private when possible and explain that you cannot give in on that particular position. Vietnam is not the place to point blame and determine who is rightfully responsible if you want a deal to stay on track and relations to stay positive. It will take working together to move forward for everyone’s benefit—and it needs to be a win, win, win situation or else you will lose.

Needless to say, you will save time by learning the language—although it is very hard with a western tongue. Some expats rely on their local wives or a personal assistant to translate. Try to at least be proficient with the numbers and guidebook Vietnamese.

Overall, Vietnamese are proud people—they have a long history of self-assertion and self-determination. Learning the language is one way to get a better understanding of Vietnamese. They will respect you for it and give you the benefit of the doubt more often than not if they know you took the time and effort to learn their language.

Even though Vietnam is changing and modernizing, an element of “traditional Vietnam” still exists. Keeping an open mind and keeping politics to a minimum is a pretty prudent way forward. Don’t get discouraged by setbacks or partnerships falling through—it happens everywhere. Learn from your mistakes and be better prepared for the next time in a similar situation. Above all, keep knocking on and opening doors in Vietnam to see which one fits you best—if you stay here long enough then eventually one will.